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I do not plan on cutting any corners or skipping steps, I would rather take baby steps and it actually turn out correct. "A friend and fellow dog trainer stopped by and asked to take over. by EvanG Fri Oct 11, 2013 5:47 am, Post Similarly, if you are trying to teach a pup to retrieve in the water and he's not interested, go into the pond to show him that it's fun to go swimming. I can go over the notes and usually find out what the problem is and then make a change in that dog's routine. Another advantage of keeping a journal is that it keeps trainers on schedule. Am I way ahead? Thanks for any help also! What I am understanding is to keep playing with him and get him to sit and stuff but don't progress to sit/stay and heel and more formal obedience until then? If you haven't practiced diversions and your dog is not solid in his casting skills, he will likely switch to the short bird," Zappia says. "Knowing when to back off and when to push forward can only be learned through trial and error. I praise the heck out of Gator I mean he probably is like holy $hit ha, after that the other 2-3 retrieves he is point on bringing it back. Putting constant pressure on a dog can have the opposite of the desired effect. ", "Knowing when to back off and when to push forward can only be learned through trial and error. by Neil Thu Oct 10, 2013 9:28 pm, Post "As a joke and being a bit of an antagonist, I began to call his dog 'Shelby,'" Stewart says. But training should also be conducted in different types of weather and with other dogs and people. It is like I have to remind him what to do (no worries in my book). I tell Gator to sit he does, I throw his toy after teasing him to get him excited, say his name he goes and gets it usually wants to lay there and chew on it I have had a few times he brought the toy back with just saying come a few others with a tug on the leash. I just want to start at the right time so I can get the best result from him. I am also located in SC. Jim Karlovec, "I do a lot of training alone, and most of the time I follow a regular training routine. As the pup gets proficient at this drill, lengthen the distance of the blinds and switch to different kinds of bumpers to mix things up. Stewart encourages patience in all aspects of training, especially before retrieves or rewards are given. "Shelby never mastered his performance in different locations because his handler didn't provide diverse training experiences. It's unrealistic to expect the dog to be steady and quiet in the field or duck blind when he has been regularly worked into a frenzy during training sessions. by Neil Sat Oct 12, 2013 8:09 pm, Post It wouldn't be the Polmaise Cup if Two Boykins were used MG. Sometimes you need a little help from a professional to offer guidance on how to handle man's best friend. I am in no hurry to make this dog a hunting machine, I want to slowly train this dog to be a great hunting partner. This is my first time training a dog anything besides really sit and shake etc, very basic things. by SpringerDude Thu Oct 10, 2013 7:11 am, Post Frustration will only hurt your training program.". Hillman's approach may be good for this team? "Ol' Shelby just never transferred the skills he learned in his familiar training ground to other locations. by crackerd Sat Oct 12, 2013 2:47 pm, Post I don't think that is what y'all are talking about training days is it? First sorry I got confused and gave advice for upland hunting. With all that being said do you guys have any advice for a newbie training a dog to hunt. Just having someone there to analyze your body language is huge. I don't entirely disagree with introducing gun fire at that age (however that progressed too quickly in my opinion) but letting him chew on a wing is a recipe for disaster. After the bird or bumper hits the ground, watch the dog, and let him settle down before releasing him. As the dog is running to get the first bumper, he tosses out another bumper in a different direction and the stage is set for the next blind retrieve. Im very nervous about training my first dog so I am trying to do this by the books, take extra time on each step and make sure I do not rush. The logical approach would be to send your dog after the crippled bird. by polmaise Sun Oct 13, 2013 1:19 pm, Post Well Duck Dog Basics, says wait 6 months before formal training (sit/stay, come, heel) I think that is a long time 24 weeks. He contends that 90 percent of the problems encountered during training are the trainer's fault. Beside him the most response I got was his ears moved a little wile beside me never bothered him. by crackerd Thu Oct 10, 2013 11:13 am, Post by SpringerDude Mon Oct 14, 2013 1:23 pm, Powered by phpBB Forum Software phpBB Limited. This is all very new to me, I am sure I will be able to achieve my goals with the dog it will just take time. Thanks guys. by shane071489 Thu Oct 10, 2013 3:20 pm, Post Who and which program is this? When his ears perk up, send him. by shane071489 Sun Oct 13, 2013 1:39 pm, Post Both dogs and people can excel in their comfort zone, but when faced with an unfamiliar situation or setting, they sometimes find it difficult to adapt. by shane071489 Mon Oct 07, 2013 8:13 pm, Post Congratulations on getting a spaniel. So far he has been point on with his training and hes only 11 weeks but I dont want to stress him and make training more difficult on myself. This sharpens their honoring skills and steadiness for hunting and trials. Was at my parents this weekend where it would be easy to introduce gator to gun fire started out at about 100 yards with 22 shorts never acknowledged worked in 75 50 down to 20 never fazed him let him chew on a dove wing shot at 10 yards then beside him. My oldest Boykin just passed after 13 hunting seasons, you have a long time to enjoy your dog. They said what I am doing is fine just dont pressure the dog. "This playful activity is less stressful than many other steadiness drills and helps you achieve the same result.". Evan Graham? I misunderstood what I have read, if the dog doesn't not show any sign on distress to keep moving closer i guess they meant days makes sense. Don't leave him down long, or he is going to be following you. "If a brick is left out of the foundation, eventually the entire structure will fail," Karlovec says. by shane071489 Mon Oct 07, 2013 10:16 pm, Post by Neil Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:20 am, Post I stopped with the treats and lots of praise. The first few days of having him I got him where he will walk on a leash and not fight, he comes to the word "come" he sits when I place my palm up and say sit (like stop signal) like 98% of the time he has no hesitation he drops to his butt. Shane, you're doing fine. I have been awarding him treats but I have noticed he now drops the toy when he gets to me in wait of his treat. The greater variety of training experience you can provide a dog, the more confidently and proficiently it will perform in real hunting situations. ", "An easy way to instill patience is to drop a bumper while the dog watches and then pause before sending him for the retrieve." That has helped me tons. This is a great drill to teach 'backs' and 'overs' in the water. A guy I know has 2 that I seen yesterday that worked great on birds weren't as obedient as I would like my dog so in going to make sure obedience in #1. He retrieved his first dove wing yesterday I don't think I have ever been so happy. I always have at least one dog in the kennel that will make me stop and rethink the methods I am using to get the best performance out of that dog," Kadlec says. Outdoor writer and photographer Tony Zappia trains his golden retrievers for national field trials in New York's St. Lawrence River valley. Let him concentrate for a while. When his ears perk up, send him. When in doubt, back off and give the dog a chance to work it out using gentler methods. "Most retrievers need a balance of pressure and patience. I have a few guys that I can ask questions that have trained champion dogs, so that is a relief. Mike Stewart. Enthusiastic beginners often expect progress during every session and no backsliding. When in doubt, back off and give the dog a chance to work it out using gentler methods." "Keeping notes on each dog's training helps. Pam Kadlec. And if your blood pressure starts to go up, back off and end the session on a positive note. by shane071489 Sun Oct 13, 2013 9:49 am, Post "I once worked with a dog that for some reason would not hold birds or bumpers. Trust them and do what you need to do to make your dog the best "bleep" dog you've ever had. We call this generalization. Thanks Evan g. I will give it a look since this is my first time training, I'm super nervous that I won't do something right so the more help the better. All of mine retrieve though. "I'll sit them in a row, throw a ball in the yard, and send them to retrieve, by name, one at a time. I can go over the notes and usually find out what the problem is and then make a change in that dog's routine.". But worrying will not in itself bring wisdom. What are yall's opinion? I would love to get out there with other dogs and work with my puppy and maybe gain some knowledge. To build a gun dog's single-mindedness amid diversions, Zappia recommends "lining" exercises like the wagon wheel drill. I was experimenting, and knew I could correct any problems it might cause. For example, I often find young pups don't like to fetch pigeons, but if you put a bird in a white sock, most pups will grab it right away. What I am seeing is training seminar for February 2014 that is $125. Thanks Neil, you've been great help. Within two minutes he had the dog holding birds, bumpers, and happily walking at heel carrying a bird. "After the bird or bumper hits the ground, watch the dog, and let him settle down before releasing him. by Neil Sun Oct 13, 2013 1:10 pm, Post Once a dog has mastered casting and lining to visible bumpers, Karlovec shifts his focus to blind retrieves. In waterfowling, executing multiple retrieves in the proper order is often essential to recovering crippled birds. You are correct I did a few shots at each distance and watched the pup carefully. Boykins are fun dogs to train and hunt with. by shane071489 Tue Oct 08, 2013 2:00 pm, Post I've also been working a little with how crackered said do the heel since at this age I don't want to be jerking on the puppy with a check cord and it is working well. The pup is 11 weeks old! Ok guys Im very thankful for all of the replies. Follow these tips from five expert trainers to help your dog reach its full potential in the field, "I think we are drawn to dogs because they are the uninhibited creatures we might be if we weren't certain we knew better," wrote the late George Bird Evans in Troubles with Bird Dogs. It's easy to forget the nuances of a dog's performance in the last session. A journal will keep trainers honest about whether they are working hard enough on the right drills at the right times. I have been posting and posting but I am having to wait for my posts to be approved so yall will be bombarded ha. ARCHIVE: Previous Listings SOLD/OLD/GONE, New boykin spaniel owner training question, Re: New boykin spaniel owner training question, http://www.pocotaligokennel.com/about.html. Let him concentrate for a while. by gotpointers Mon Oct 07, 2013 5:46 pm, Post Among the most common mistakes is rushing the retrieve. Hey, some of us here would love to have go at the Polmaise Cup if you could bring it to North America - especially with a Boykin or two (one as spaniel, one as retriever - like that idea? by Neil Sat Oct 12, 2013 9:01 am, Post "I learned a very valuable lesson: regardless of how frustrating the training becomes, keep it steady. This dog is learning new things so quickly I'm scratching my head, I am thinking you are not supposed to catch on this fast. Its fine man, I am learning a lot right here. by EvanG Sat Oct 12, 2013 10:54 am, Post I have been told by multiple people some on here that with a Boykin spaniel and at this age I can let him retrieve, teach him to heel, sit and come without correction. I will do just like you said, I appreciate it! I have also been getting him to do a few retrieves a day usually like 3 tops. I use a 25ft check cord and get him real excited for the toy and when I throw it I release him with his name (trying to get him used to that when he gets older) I usually give him a little tug and he comes and is bringing it to hand. Listen, I have a serries of photos of a 10 week old Boylin flushing, then retrieving a shot pen quail, but I have been doing this a long time, a very long time. "If the weather is warm, try to include ponds along your route so you can work on water blinds. After the bird or bumper hits the ground, watch the dog, and let him settle down before releasing him. "A common mistake made by many enthusiasts is throwing meaningless, repetitive retrieves in play or during training," Stewart says. Thanks, I have talked to a few people about this. Im also reading "Water Dog" and he is encouraging start now (actually sooner than I did haha). Hunting Dog Training, Gun Dog Puppies, and Discussion, Post After days on getting him to do it he has it down pat and I am still amazed! I posted once I dont know where it went, I will retype it tomorrow. I was banging my head against the wall trying to get this dog to hold, but he just wouldn't give in," Goodwin says. by crackerd Sun Oct 13, 2013 11:03 am, Post You say you won't rush or pressure hin, you expectations may well do that. He is a genius dog, I believe all of this is on him not me! If that's your approach, you're on your own, son. Doing the same thing, the same way, and later expecting a different outcome can be a pitfall in retriever training.". Let him concentrate for a while. FWIW - I have a few more versatile dogs, two chessies, and a few just upland dogs. "When you are at the line, it's important to know when the dog is ready to perform a retrieve," Zappia says. by shane071489 Thu Oct 10, 2013 8:09 am, Post I would cool it on any real training until you find a training group. by shane071489 Sat Oct 12, 2013 10:42 pm, Post Basically all I do is make the dog come and sit a few times and I praise him then I try and integrate it into a few retrieves and then I am done for the day. I am actually working on Gator to stay (not saying it just using sit), I am getting him to sit and making it about 6 ft down my check cord when I bend over and tell him to come. At Wildrose, the dog didn't seem to remember any of its previous lessons. "Dogs don't transfer skills from one location to another without transitional training. I am about to look on their website for them now. This puppy is the smartest dog I have ever seen (not saying others arent smarter) I have had him going on 2 weeks. Anyone close to SC? by polmaise Sat Oct 12, 2013 12:18 pm, Post "Suppose a brace of birds is shot over water. by chevyrulz Tue Oct 08, 2013 9:08 am, Post by polmaise Sat Oct 12, 2013 3:35 pm, Post Tony Zappia, Like Stewart, Zappia also incorporates steadiness techniques into his training sessions, as well as in play sessions with groups of dogs. by shane071489 Sun Oct 13, 2013 10:16 pm, Post by shane071489 Tue Oct 08, 2013 1:58 pm, Post You have been given good advice by a few people on here - take it. ", "When you are at the line, it's important to know when the dog is ready to perform a retrieve. I thought I was doing miracles with my cocker pup until I hooked up with someone else and realized all the small "unimportant" things I was doing wrong. by shane071489 Sat Oct 12, 2013 6:01 pm, Post Dog training is all about the finer details not just doing the drills. So far he has surpassed all of my hopes for him. I'll also throw the ball and make them sit and stay while I go pick it up," he adds. "You have to find out what 'clicks' with each retriever. "My friend saw that as the frustration level escalated, so did my pressure on the dog. ", "Knowing when to back off and when to push forward can only be learned through trial and error. by crackerd Tue Oct 08, 2013 7:12 am, Post ", "When you are at the line, it's important to know when the dog is ready to perform a retrieve. Them being the 'all round everything dog'. "They fight for honor at the first challenge, make love with no moral restraint, and do not for all their marvelous instincts appear to know about death. Mike Stewart of Wildrose Kennels in Oxford, Mississippi, recounted a story of a client from Memphis who regularly trained his Lab at Shelby Farms, a massive urban park near DU headquarters. by chevyrulz Mon Oct 07, 2013 1:14 pm, Post My Boykin Spaniel is 11 weeks in the morning. How is this dog pressured? I have read the magazine and stuff like that just don't know where to find training days, I assume they are posted on their website. Eventually it became a war of wills, and the dog was winning," he explains. I plan on hunting the dog (dove and ducks), I had a guy locally that did obedience and then the hunt training and he has stopped doing the hunt training just before I got this little guy. by RoostersMom Mon Oct 07, 2013 3:48 pm, Post ". by gotpointers Tue Oct 08, 2013 8:38 pm, Post Just as a coach keeps detailed records of his or her players' stats, a retriever trainer should keep a journal of a dog's progress in training sessions. Shane if you're going to ask for help, and expecting knowledgeable folks to give it to you, you need to stop doing dumb*ss things like shooting over an 11-12 week old puppy and letting him chew on a wing of any kind. So I am now going to be just using praise. I don't think you are going to hunt as much as shoot a few birds. "This is a fun activity in the yard and entertaining in training, but in reality the dog is learning to gain his reward-the retrieve-while often being quite out of control, overexcited, and sometimes even vocal. "Let a puppy be a puppy" is sort of a cop-out for a first-time gundog owner, and especially a Boykin. These folks know what they're talking about because they have made the same mistakes. Being such wonderfully uncomplicated beings, they need us to do their worrying.". These should include different types of terrain, such as wetlands, fields of tall grass, woods, and grazed pastures. One bird is close and lying belly up in the decoys and the other is a crippled glider that landed 80 yards from the blind. Obedience is the cornerstone of all retriever training, and for a dog, an important aspect of obedience is learning patience. But this will require the dog to swim past the dead bird in clear view. by shane071489 Sun Oct 06, 2013 9:49 pm, Post by shane071489 Sat Oct 12, 2013 6:08 pm, Post To further build a dog's patience, incorporate denial into each training session by not allowing the dog to pick up a few bumpers during each round of retrieves," he says. I thought I was making progress, and seemingly out of defiance he would spit out the bird. I play with him let him retrieve like 3 times a day he does not get disciplined at all for any mistakes, I praise him for trying. The secret is getting the obedience in them with their thinking that it's. When in doubt, back off and give the dog a chance to work it out using gentler methods," she continues. Crackerd can attest - he tried to help me out in my early days as a spaniel man and I bucked at the reigns the entire time, but when I gave in (out of sheer coincidence) my dog developed in ways I cannot even explain. In some cases, a dog can completely shut down and never retrieve again. A written record will help you identify strengths and weaknesses that can be reinforced or addressed in future training. I just recieved my dvd "Duck Dog Basics" I watched some of that they are waiting to train their dogs sit/stay, come, heel when he is 6 months old. So do you guys have any extra advice. These include visual distractions like the example above, auditory distractions like gunfire at other birds, and even scent distractions-such as when a dog catches wind of a dead bird while pursuing a cripple. He is going to have an impossible time busting cover and will bore and tire easily. Thank you. Diversions test a dog's determination to complete the task at hand. by shane071489 Sat Oct 12, 2013 6:04 pm, Post "Handlers must be able to cast their dog away from any distraction," Zappia says. Please Welcome New Members - Introduce Yourself Here! One of his favorite techniques is to take a dog for a long walk in the woods. by shane071489 Sat Oct 12, 2013 8:50 am, Post Thank all of you guys for the information you are offering. Too many blank journal entries will indicate that some problems may not be entirely the dog's fault. This works well most of the time, but on occasion there's a dog that doesn't quite fit into the routine," says Jim Karlovec of Flushing Star Kennel in Columbia Station, Ohio. "He never does this at Shelby Farms," the client told him. He is doing great and so far loves it. Like I said this is my first time and I want to do it right. I have ordered the "Water Dog" book and "Avery Duck Dog Basics" DVD. Butch Goodwin, owner of Northern Flight Retrievers in New Plymouth, Idaho, offers similar advice. "If one method doesn't work with a pup, try another. Lighten up on yourself, we all make errors, dogs are ver resilient. When his ears perk up, send him." I can go over the notes and usually find out what the problem is and then make a change in that dog's routine." "An easy way to instill patience is to drop a bumper while the dog watches and then pause before sending him for the retrieve. When a dog doesn't respond to initial training attempts, they double their efforts, and in turn double their problems. Our training rule is to practice each individual skill or lesson five times in five different locations to ensure habits are well entrenched," Stewart explains. by Neil Mon Oct 07, 2013 9:45 pm, Post ", "Keeping notes on each dog's training helps. Distract the dog by sending him on marked retrieves so he doesn't see you drop or toss the bumpers," Karlovec advises. We all do basically the same things but at what age, how many repetitions, when do you expose the dog to situations, how do you set up the exposure, etc, etc. For the trainer, this means developing a portfolio of accessible and varied training locations. "The dog and trainer must practice casting, lining, and blind retrieves so the dog not only complies with commands, but also trusts the handler giving the commands.". "As you continue walking, get creative by tossing the bumpers over logs, across roads, and into different types of cover. Will keep shooting the shorts and throwing his wing for awhile before I move up to anything bigger. by SpringerDude Thu Oct 10, 2013 8:44 pm, Post He drops a white bumper and continues walking another 50 paces before bringing the dog to heel and giving it a line for the blind retrieve. With that in mind, we asked a group of expert trainers to share some of their wisdom about how to make a retriever the best dog it can be. Later, he even had the dog fetch some bumpers. Dog has done great he eat sleeps and plays all day with 4-5 min of training. by CDN_Cocker Sun Oct 13, 2013 7:19 pm, Post I think it is expecting a lot of your dog and disciplining him when he does not perform. Thanks for those last two posts. by RoostersMom Mon Oct 07, 2013 5:59 pm, Post Pamela Kadlec, author of Retriever Training for Spaniels and one of the most respected trainers and breeders of Boykin spaniels in the United States, says flexibility is an important part of her training philosophy. Isn't that what he is supposed to be doing ? Here are some of the techniques they use to achieve peak performance from their retrievers. by SpringerDude Sun Oct 13, 2013 6:52 pm, Post Another common pitfall in retriever training is going too hard, too fast. I know that once he gets a little older I can stretch out the training, I just do not want to over do it while he is so young. ", New Guns and Gear for 2022: Decoys and Rigging, Achieve peak performance from your retriever, "An easy way to instill patience is to drop a bumper while the dog watches and then pause before sending him for the retrieve. "Keeping notes on each dog's training helps in this regard. I actually bought Gator giving myself a year to get him ready to the field with me. by shane071489 Sun Oct 13, 2013 1:28 pm, Post Wings for a flushing dog are pretty much useless unless they are strapped to a dummy (for that matter they're useless for a pointing dog as well as they really don't teach anything). Neil I'm ordering a pedigree this week on the puppy. There may be a temptation to skip drills that are particularly time consuming or demanding, and a journal will help trainers conduct training sessions in the proper order.

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