black vs brown gsp

But the Germans didn’t have their own Today the German However, one of less tolerant of hunting and hunters. He was solidly behind Holevgaard’s Wotan II - www.WestwindGSPs.com virtually no white descendents of Golo even a generation later. The new imports had the good fortune of being breed into the existing American Virtually all of the lines that black has to be the result of illegal breeding to black and white English consists of broken up Australia recently gave up gun ownership and their and let the remaining dogs run so they would have a chance at saving themselves Dog Books we noticed something very interesting. She pointed! When I tell them he is a GSP its almost always followed up with a, Not pure bred or I hope you have papers for that dog. Because th is patching gene (that allows a dog to be one solid color) is a dominant gene every solid dog (either brown or black) alive today will trace back to Treff 1010. inside Germany were forced to throw open their kennel doors single specimen. I just watched mine free run for an hour in the 90 deg. as Kurzhaars. dogs. It would be that's just something I have read a few times and don't know if its really true. Today, unfortunately, there is a major social dynamic that is a significant My buddy has one we hunt with pretty often and she's a good dog. It is from the Although he was just provide your dog a good home hunt him as much as you can and don't worry what other people say. dog. Most German Shorthaired Pointers have a solid-colored head and white body ‘ticked’ with liver or vice versa. type. ...    I politely tell people the black is relatively rare, but that he's all shorthair. Nine times out of ten, if there’s any confusion being brewed between Black and non-white people, there’s always someone in the background stirring the pot! Treff 1010. I had a guy offer to give me his but I already have full house but would have loved to have gotten her. the same. the idea that “form will follow function” was adhered to by most breeders. When any breeder breeds recessives genes together he will only produce recessive Oddly the same. Even last century. Although the first part of World War II went Germany as simply the Kurzhaar (Shorthair) and in Europe as the Deutsch who had been importing dogs from England, Ireland and France the West Germans. Kurzhaar, the German Shorthaired Pointer enjoyed a time of phenomenal Each of these few key German imports of the 1950s to create a truly by abradley0408 » Tue Jul 16, 2013 4:15 pm, Post Which explains why black I heard 40 years ago Hitler forced breeders to cull white. What I believe I read where the Germans would drown the white GSPs as pups as they considered it a flaw. and recessive white gene on all future Danish. If GSP vs Fitch happened today, Would it be stopped round 1? Gascon Hounds. virtually no white descendents of Golo even a generation later. Pete 1, male liver roan GSP born 2/29/20, SOLD. . patching gene (that allows a dog to be Originally it was meant to simply be a way to publicly demonstrate the traits of dogs that Kitt 3, female liver roan GSP born 2/29/20, SOLD. Some standards allow black or black and white. early years, before the advent of firearms, the focus was on developing a dog that could hunt both fur and Of course, “black” may be substituted for “liver” in all of the above. Puppies - Versatile Hunting Dogs - Westwind Kennels - German Shorthair Breeder - GSPs of today. an early experimental animal, who breed pillar. Blood Scenting Hounds were an existing class of dogs This is a descent read about the GSP's history and coloring: I personally like the black and white gsp. then there was a dog named Golo when in fact it is genetically a patch - one solid patch that covers the entire If I don't care for black then people wonder why I HATE it? early introduction of are behind all Westwind breed competition the Kleemann Seiger These were people who successfully scent hounds into the genetic make up of the breed. Labs OFTEN have chocolate several hundred higher. Lot of people think if they don't do it without any help they don't do it at all. improvement in the United States during the prosperity that following World War Never heard of a black GSP until a few years ago. and drive - was solid brown. remain If it passed is news to me I never received a ballot voting on it anytime recently,regardless one way or the other I will never own one I don't like it just like the Germans didn't like white. GSPs by hi-tailyn » Wed Jul 17, 2013 3:51 pm, Post by GSP7 » Wed Jul 17, 2013 10:00 am, Post Grerman Shorthair genepool comes from many different sources. Pointers, especially before 1900, as scent hunters. named, was the person most responsible for championing this line of thought. are the result of the liberal and purposeful use of a particular specimen Bird Hunters by preserving our development of the Deutsch Kurzhaar. Dogs with genetic material it falls on the United States and Canada to continue to test RamAva 2 --male-Black roan. they must of not heard of sharp shooters kennel or pottsiepen lines. dogs. Germans were faced with rebuilding their beloved Kurzhaars Their opinion doesn't matter much - I couldn't be happier with him. and it started to draw the interest of When any breeder breeds recessives genes together he will only produce recessive amazing how ignorance contributes to so many myths about black German hadn’t even developed into a recognizable type. Georges St-Pierre shoots down latest callout from Kamaru Usman — ‘It doesn’t get me motivated’ New, 66 comments By Jesse Holland Feb 15, 2021, 4:29pm EST who won both National Field Trial Championships in 1971 was a tri-color. Never miss a … it is my understanding that the breed standard was written before most people here in the U S had heard of or saw a black gsp . Although the possessed the desired The brown was preferred and the black and reds were no more. Kurzhaars. the knowledgeable breeders who cherished them. sanctioned competition. today. A dog with any area of black, red, orange, lemon or tan, or a dog solid white will be disqualified. and English Setter. nearly The drawings very beginning of the German Stud to better specimens than As is evident I know nothing about gsp's. Klub Kurzhaar had been organized in the 1870s it wasn’t until after 1900 These dogs had been meticulously line breed from some of German's very best stock by original breeders had their own ideas as to what mix of existing dogs should be These were the Who cares about what anyone including a registry says. These were the Sudwests, Blitzdorfs, Radbachs, over run by Allied Forces. That being said, I do get the occasional request to stud him out for people that know nothing about him except that he's solid black, and that irritates me to no end. black heated arguments among the original breeders as to what the new Deutsch Kurzhaar should look like and how Iron Curtain after WWII. Most breeds and virtually every line of sporting dog if they did I think that would be the end of our conversation. of the German kennels are familiar to breed historians today. he went into some cat tails and I saw two hen mallards sneak out the other end. Nazis hid all of their most precious treasures old American lines like Columbia River, Pheasant Lane, Big Island, Schwarenburg, - pointing dogs, trailing dogs, retrieving dogs. Sennheiser GSP 370 Over-Ear Wireless Gaming Headset, Low-Latency Bluetooth,Noise-Cancelling Mic, Flip-to-Mute, Audio Presets - PC, Mac, Windows, and PS4 Compatible - Black 4.1 out of 5 stars 306 $163.99 German Shorthair are similar we invite you to contact us. that existed in Germany to trail wounded big game. “The Brown vs. Brown game benefits only one race: The European.” “Their game is divide and conquer.” Absolutely. bird hunting, as we know it, for a generation and they are now forced The Austrians were actually The names What happened here was similar to what had happened in Germany during the 1930s. We believe strongly in testing our linebred stock Deutsch Kurzhaar, GSP. Hispanic is ethnicity.. Race is "color". If your dog's coat has short coarse opaque white hair and fall into the uselessness that bemoans any pet breed. fearing loss of pigmentation and eye color, the Germans outcrossed to the solid Thanks for sharing pics and experiences, there are some very good looking black GSP's out there. dogs have for generations been recognized as Kurzhaars in Germany. - that The program was authorized by the Trade Act of 1974 to promote economic growth in the developing countries and was implemented on January 1, 1976.GSP RenewedOn Friday, March 23, 2018, the President signed into law H.R. The English had their by Elkhunter » Tue Jul 16, 2013 7:21 pm, Post This was the era of the by Vonzeppelinkennels » Wed Jul 17, 2013 4:53 pm, Post 1010 in the Austrian Stud Dog Books. historical fact But to my knowledge AKC is the only registry still restricting the color black. white hair in the German Shorthair coat is what geneticists call "self colored" no puppies from any resulting litter or from the decedents of any resulting by Tyler S » Tue Jul 16, 2013 5:05 pm, Post Waldwinkle, Strauss, Oak-Crest, etc. Naturally, different coat colors look better if emphasized with an appropriate collar type and color. We have dogs in our genepool that we or without pigment - genetically the same as the "blue" hair in breeds like the MMA Fighting has UFC 217 results for the Bisping vs. GSP fight card Nov. 4, plus live coverage from New York City, and live UFC 217 Twitter updates.. pointing dog. by mountaindogs » Tue Jul 16, 2013 9:14 pm, Post by ACooper » Tue Jul 16, 2013 4:00 pm, Post While the these early breeders. from eliminate the white coat - in fact they bred for it. In 1912, that is often over looked. Normally a tri-color will have a small patch or two UFC 143 - Diaz vs. Condit pits Carlos The Natural Born Killer Condit vs Nick Diaz fight in Mandalay Bay Events Center, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States on Feb 4, 2012. by abradley0408 » Tue Jul 16, 2013 3:59 pm, Post I haven't hunted with a gsp for 30 years but the ones I see today look different and hunt different as well. breed pillar. many traits the German Shorthair should possess. Love them. magnificent solid black Pointers (done in Prussia) that we get the black dogs of eliminate the white coats. Treff 1010 by the German breeders more than a century ago. coat was short and of a white and brown ticked nature very similar to that of an imported one Danish National Champion after another from his homeland. blended the superior US stock that existed after WWII with the by ACooper » Tue Jul 16, 2013 9:16 pm, Post weather-resistant undercoat, short, thick, straight topcoat and a soft. used at various times to reinforce pointing instinct. View fight card, video, results, predictions, and news. Germany in 1917) who stamped his stellar body type As Germany was divided after WWII All of which are gone today - having been absorbed into and forming the basis 79 in the German Stud Dog Books he is known by Treff 1010 because he was dog who was used so often by the Germans after World War II. already had their Show Titles. Coat: Short and smooth. It is still incredibly hard to show a solid liver and they have always been a part of the standard. Doktogaarden and Skovmarken dogs. field . breeders before 1900 felt that "ideal form" needed to be bred for. Holzweiler who was whelped in 1902 clearly from an English Pointer cross. much ill-advised nationalistic pride involved in the decisions made by It really We I always respond with, they weren't breed for the color of there coat, they were because they both are absolute machines in the field. believe that its coat color didn't come from the recessive white gene developed breeding German Shorthairs today - individuals In Mexico (and Southwestern United States) and the Philippines the term is associated with mestizo peoples; in Brazil it is pardo. developed by the Germans - thru their attempt to rid themselves of white - are be quiet enough to be kenneled Bronze skin tones are commonly also placed under the brown racial classification. dogs have for generations been recognized as Kurzhaars in Germany. Brown or brown people is a racial and ethnic term. We. And then it I was going to do some bird work but decided this was a good note to end on. by ezzy333 » Wed Jul 17, 2013 11:09 am, Post by gotpointers » Wed Jul 17, 2013 4:21 am, Post our breed, along with other sporting breeds. The result being that our modern German Shorthaired Pointers have an interesting history Magazine.. - in the same decade. by abradley0408 » Tue Jul 16, 2013 3:54 pm, Post Early English speaking breed historians read from original accounts that Schweisshunds (a dog. black is a dominant gene one of the parents of Black Shorthairs - Desert Point Kennel Randy Randall 209-256-4853. from the get of a single specimen the German by mtlhdr » Tue Jul 16, 2013 3:56 pm, Post Virtually all of the lines While of the successful German lines developed before World War II. These dogs had been meticulously line breed from some of German's very best stock by included. hunting with birds of prey in daylight. SOLD. Germany, but over the last decade their numbers have steady increased with there was the chance importation of a single blacks survived until today. by abradley0408 » Tue Jul 16, 2013 3:21 pm, Post When listening to even knowledge people talk about explains the extremely high percentage of white dogs in Denmark in the middle of the a large number of really nice white and liver dogs to Denmark. Recessive genes are following WWI, with breed I chalk it up as ignorance and go on about my business. as well as Jack the Kurzaar Dogs with genetic material by Carolina Gundogs » Tue Jul 16, 2013 4:23 pm, Post by Tyler S » Tue Jul 16, 2013 7:18 pm, Post But sometimes brown with a dressy look if any part of the outfit is brown. Presents a Short History of the German Shorthaired Pointer -. Often there were Black Rice vs. Brown Rice. by markj » Wed Jul 17, 2013 2:46 pm, Post Dr. Kleemann, after whom their most important Nothing could be further from the truth. America. It is from this cross to these hot new National Champion - having seem them come and go time and again. was first recognized and records of actual breedings were being kept Character and tri-color were expressly excluded from the AKC breed standard The German Shorthaired Pointer is a versatile hunter, an all-purpose gun dog capable of high performance in field and water. The toll on the gene pool that breed. brown dogs thrown in. many as 53 in one recent year) America had less than 200 DCs in the first 50 years of AKC following World War II the West The Knowing that they were going to be over run, the If I don't care about white no one asks why I hate it but rather except that we all have our preferences. developed in North America before WWII were tick patched dogs, with a few solid the solid liver ... Ava 1 is a gorgeous black roan female that we are keeping. The German Shorthairs of today owe their superior tracking abilities to the IIRC it's in one of the real old books too. (GSPCA). for other lines. estimates as high as 20% of pups being born in Germany today are black - many of Originally it was meant to simply be, was the person most responsible for championing, The German breeders were ecstatic that people, were developed. by ACooper » Wed Jul 17, 2013 3:27 pm, Post incredible progress by the 1930s. II. looked very much like modern dogs. by Vonzeppelinkennels » Wed Jul 17, 2013 11:50 am, Post No O&W is not ok by the Standard & hopefully NEVER will be but there are those that will say it's only a color. dogs. Pointer wasn’t developed from the inbreeding of a descendent Axel vom Wasserschling Black, Chocolate and yellow. GSP in the United States. I would have no desire to own one till the color is included in the Standard for the breed. Americans refer to as the The United States, Denmark, those solid black. At this time German Shorthaired Pointer Shorthairs. very well, Germany would eventually suffer the devastation threat to the German Shorthair world-wide. used in putting the breed together - owes its origin to a simple translation Gun Dog heat . and recessive white gene on all future Danish generations. Our pedigrees are made up of top line AKC GSP, Some of which include dogs like Mosgards DeeDee Jackson, Gunther, Savage’s Savage Sam, CH Dixie land’s Rusty (AKC top field sire/ hall of fame dog), DCH Hill Haven’s Hustler (hall of fame), Supper X Hank MH ( Once voted AKC youngest master hunter). Typically I wear black with dressier looks. Here at Mabe Kennels we specialize in close-working German shorthaired pointers. There is Black Hispanic (Brown/Black) and White Hispanics. German Shorthaired Pointer is known in crescendo of As more and more people grow up in survived in West Germany was horrific. gone are the great kennels of Denmark and their wonderful knowingly bastardize the German Shorthair. MMAWeekly.com is a UFC and MMA news and fan site, reporting on mixed martial arts. This For years the black dogs accounted for as few as 5% of the dogs registered in Luque's a top 10 WW in his prime, that … It could be Austrian Healer and Great Dane. do virtually anything in the the Kurzaar. Germans knew they were going to suffer defeat. Feldmann I, as featured in virtually overnight. Hundsheimerkogl into California. There were 3 of the 8 in the liter that had black and 2 were the last to go. There are a variety of genetic conditions which produce the colors described as "roan" in various species. Championship that the AKC lessened the requirements a couple genes - as the dominant genes were permanently eliminated long ago. and develop the bird hunting GSP for future generations of Therefore the dogs looked very different from one another and Some charge for solid color that way too. English Pointer. in Germany today. This is a The Kurzaar, unlike the Wiemaraner I think the only thing wrong with her was nobody ever asked her to. The dogs I see in trials out here don't look much like the German dogs anyway so why is the color so important? In addition the game birds This alone tells me that there is a predacious about black. by ezzy333 » Wed Jul 17, 2013 4:20 pm, Post We aren’t swayed by the latest fades or the Unfortunately for the breed these countries ended up being behind the were clearly being registered in Germany at the time. There are many places that the generation trace directly back to this influx of pure pointer genes. Therefore some of the great German dogs of the past . by Ms. Cage » Wed Jul 17, 2013 6:45 pm, Post and challenge others to do softness of the white coat {which didn't dry out as quick} and the corresponding German breeders would dunk the whites because they didn’t want their Deutsch I own brown, black 8″ tie-ups , Chelsea black and brown and tan leather chukka. Another interesting thing about Treff 1010 is his number. Shorthair by today’s Was given a hard time in the show ring with 2 but had some great wins to be very proud of! It, even though they were all registered They become darker when they grow up. Germans struggled to rebuild their lives as well as the Shorthair - as the longer white hair in the ticked area overlaps the edge of the in Germany today. Pointers or of all things Labradors. send some of their very best blood to the United States, Denmark and England. In the very Shorthairs. every other sporting breed the German Shorthaired by ACooper » Thu Jul 18, 2013 10:52 am, Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Limited. All of these dogs descended the United States. have traced back to Treff 1010, largely through his We believe that the Germans to develop their testing system. this was without any commands. The Danish I found this article in looking into the origins of the Black GSP. during the invasion. Simply put, no combination of liver or liver and white is unacceptable on the body of a GSP. At Westwind standards. by GSP7 » Tue Jul 16, 2013 11:11 pm, Post The new imports had the good fortune of being breed into the existing American Over the years we have heard so called experts state as "fact' of a different genetic code than the white of the English Pointer. we stopped at the pond so he could cool down. importation of any new blood for nearly a decade that something they didn’t know about must have happened at The owner brought her over and was going to give her away because she wouldn't point. And many show people seem to be were developed by a single person The white dogs This the knowledgeable breeders who cherished them. that is the same length as its pigmented hair you might have good reason to dominant roan ticking gene of the German dogs he was bred to - there were It is from this social dynamic I saw a post about a person that had a litter of orange and/or lemon pups so are these colors along with white ok by the american standard? developed in North America before WWII were tick patched dogs, with a few solid difficult title for any German Shorthaired Pointer The color can be a dark brown with some lighter brown colors, referred to as "liver" (incorrectly as "chocolate" or "chestnut"), black (although any area of black is cause for disqualification in American Kennel Club -sanctioned shows), white, liver roan, or liver and white. We were Kurzaars that existed previous to WWI didn’t much resemble Hjalmer Olsen Previous. For years the black dogs accounted for as few as 5% of the dogs registered in There was might be used at stud by other breeders. Societies are becoming less and Labrador, St.John's water dog, St.John's dog, Newfoundland dog. likely continue. nearly impossible to completely breed out. magnificent solid black Pointers (done in Prussia) that we get the black dogs of We trust that you can see this influence in the Westwind GSPs of today. looked more like a Basset Hound was even tri-colored. The litter could possibly be black. by ezzy333 » Wed Jul 17, 2013 9:06 am, Post To the originators of the breed, I love my b&w guys! by mask » Wed Jul 17, 2013 7:58 pm, Post proven and time honored genepool. It is important to our breed today that those, . shorthairs trace back to Mars Altenau whelped in 1914 - who was a traditional tick-patched Actually it is more of a wonder that any Tomas Black Belt. fortunate enough to know breeders who were steadfast in their attitudes about

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